Kilauea Volcano

I agree! It’s like watching a speeding train at a railroad crossing.

As amazing as this seems and with pieces of lava flying up and seeming to obey gravity, I still am skeptical.

Have any geological services validated this? Or helicopter views?

You could well be right Dale. I got the link from the twitter of someone who should know but that’s no guarantee :dontknow: Fast lava" is generally just a few feet/second. The bird sounds worry me, I would have thought the noise from the lava flow would have been deafening.

Niko, believe me, I’m in awe of nature as much as the next guy but way before the internet and editing tools, I’ve seen many a fake which seems to, due to the spectacular nature, is quickly passed on for others to be in awe and enjoy.

The flow of lava down a very steep cone is not nearly that fast. Pyrotechnic blasts driven by explosive gas and water being depressurized and blowing is darned fast.

But look at the videos of the Colorado river with no more slope than the place shown, and water isn’t flowing that fast.

The puzzling thing is those darned pieces of lava being thrown up and then coming down, about as my intuition would expect them to.

Either this is real or someone is very very clever at faking it.

I checked the Park site and the NGS sites with news from there today, and neither had anything like this at all.

I’m impressed with the mass of lava that has moved outward earlier but this volume would be enormous and one would think the NGS would be all over documenting and studying it.

Stay tuned, I’m sure we’ll hear verification or debunking eventually. In the mean time, I’m going to watch it again, for about the 30th time!

By no means scientific, but here are a couple things I found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFgTOrf0gIA

At about 8:20 there are some military escorted press phtographers, and the frogs chirping are similar, but in footage at 2:00 or so there are flows at expected speed, and with more ‘lava noise’ as one might expect.

Also, here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiohI78arM

with more footage of lava rivers and apparently the correct ambient noise. Part way throgh there is not a river but near a rift with very loud and impressive noise.

I realize not the same situation, but still with the lava being thrown up in the air, might be somewhat similar.

Some impressive, believable video from the volcano,
https://www.yahoo.com/news/kilauea-volcano-eruption-lava-river-195223684.html

At 1:20, 2:58 and again at 3:08 there is impressive flow. Not as fast as shown in the subject video, but still a wee bit faster than I would have guessed.

the noise, however is very scary.

This last video makes some of the motion seem faster by panned upstream, and without any landmarks for size one has no idea what the added visual effect is.

Current Kilauea lava flows are hottest, fastest of latest eruption, the video is geoblocked but the text has this quote “Overnight, the lava was moving fast enough to cover about six football fields an hour, according to U.S. Geological Survey scientist Wendy Stovall.”. 600 yards/hour is only 0.35 miles an hour.

the original video is with a big zoom
i.e take from a long way a way
which makes it look faster
the video above does show very fast moving lava, especially in the center of the flow

Aha! That could be it :slight_smile: Like those huge images of the moon.

Here’s a little more: I did find in that great scientific journal USAToday, this piece. No videos, but this discussion:

"Lava from the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii has been spewing for over a month, but the thick, slow-moving lava has taken a new shape, transforming into a wide, hot, flowing river of lava traveling long distances.

The 2100-degree lava is flowing together into a molten red river running 9 miles from the fissure into the ocean at Kapoho. The transition into fast-paced lava moving about 200 yards per hour seen Monday is due the location of the fissure.

The fissure, the 8th of 24 fissures, is located in the lower east rift zone near Leilani Estates. The magma under the surface in this area is hotter, more fluid and less crystallized.

“The whole lower east rift zone has a plumbing system two miles below surface and it is delivering hotter magma at fissure 8, which is giving runnier lava that’s flowing to the ocean,” said Charles Mandeville, program coordinator for volcano hazards program at United States Geological Survey. "

I also saw on another maybe British Newspaper something about the temperature of the lava now erupting was 50 degrees Celsius hotter than previous lava and that relatively minor temperature increase made the stuff much more liquid. The expert said it was about as hot as the lava can get, now being at the same temperature as the mantel and hotter isn’t possible. Can’t verify it but sounds reasonable.

I guess we got a direct route to the earth’s innards now and its pouring out. Pretty impressive.

200 yards/hour is a far cry from the 45-50 mph that the other thing implied and certainly makes me think that this was mostly an optical illusion. And the shimmering of that kind of temperature looks like what you’d see in a blast furnace movie.

Doing a keyword search on Google of “video of fast moving lava flow” expecting to see if that video was debunked but, it produced several references to that video.

This link has a close up shot of the lava flow. Interesting comment by kansasthunderman1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF3zLajnDNA

Even made it on CBS News.
https://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/20180616201557-fast-moving-lava-from-fissure-8-at-leilani-estates-in-hawaii/

And AccuWeather
https://www.facebook.com/AccuWeather/videos/10156402985077889/

I’m also surprised that nobody besides Dale is skeptical :? But I also haven’t found any official or reputable site suggesting that even the very fast lava is moving faster than a fraction of a mile per hour so I’m inclined to believe Brian’s optical effect theory :dontknow:

it’s like using binoculars…if you train those on something moving fast, it will appear to be moving even faster (as its appear closer )
e.g watching a race horse with binoculars

I looked around some more to find any evidence where that video might have been debunked and couldn’t find anything so, I decided to go to the source, civilbeat.org and found the following article. It seems that others have questioned the video.

[quote][size=10pt]Mesmerizing New Videos Of Hawaii Volcano Eruption

Civil Beat videographer Anthony Quintano just sent back these recent views of the Kilauea hot lava flows.

The Hawaii National Guard recently escorted news media into some areas of the eruption in the Puna area of the Big Island, providing new up-close footage of how the eruption is changing and developing.

This first video, shot on Saturday, shows the swiftly moving lava coming from fissure 8 through Kapoho on its way to the sea. When we visited this spot a few weeks ago, there was a wall of lava and very little movement. Now it

Brian,
I NEVER watch a race horse, with or without field glasses. It has always cost me more money that I hoped for when I have.

You’re point is well taken.

The post by Harry indicates he went to the source (something that for some reason I was never able to get my browser to do, perhaps too many issues with linked files, etc) but the comment was the lava was flowing about 15 mph, which would be in agreement with other videos posted and a better idea of scale determined from the location. The flowing and leaping of the lava makes it look like 30-45 mph, but as Walt Disney knew when he built all his parks, optical illusions go a long way.

Dale

15mph is like fasted running speed
i.e you probably could not outrun it over a rough surface
that is scary

This image is from civilbeat and shows that the people in the foreground are about 6 miles in front of the lava flow, again supporting Brian.

Volcano tornado caught on camera (second video).

https://watchers.news/2018/07/02/volcano-tornado-kilauea/

Hi All,

I am about 150 miles from this on going event and on a different island. The only effect that I get is the VOG so far. Almost daily this volcano area is producing earthquake of 5 or over. It is still consuming homes in that area and continue to build more land for Hawaii Island (Big Island).

Here are some footage’s on the lava flow:

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynjjvVcDx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiohI78arM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5jNuSedKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLVdTX4pu4E]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynjjvVcDx4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWiohI78arM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu5jNuSedKg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLVdTX4pu4E

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BTW, the lava flow has been clocked going over 20 MPH.

Aloha,

–Stan Y.
Maui, Hawaii

Amazing videos. Thanks, Stan.